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	<title>Comments on: CERN LHC Goes Live</title>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for stopping by JTankers. I&#039;ve edited your comment to make all your links live, in case anybody wants to click and go there to see for themselves. You included some great links there. I&#039;ve read some of them already and I&#039;ll check out the ones I haven&#039;t read yet. Thanks for the roadsigns.

I agree, there is still some uncertainty about what will happen with micro black holes possibly produced with the LHC. I&#039;ll be covering some of that in upcoming posts about the individual experiments planned to start in October.

In any case, this week we should have nothing to fear, as no collisions are planned until those first experiments are performed next month.

Meanwhile, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lhcfacts.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I&#039;d like to recommend JTankers site&lt;/a&gt; for those with a greater curiosity about the LHC. There are lots of links and some really good write-ups about many of the concerns scientists have about CERN&#039;s most ambitious project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for stopping by JTankers. I&#8217;ve edited your comment to make all your links live, in case anybody wants to click and go there to see for themselves. You included some great links there. I&#8217;ve read some of them already and I&#8217;ll check out the ones I haven&#8217;t read yet. Thanks for the roadsigns.</p>
<p>I agree, there is still some uncertainty about what will happen with micro black holes possibly produced with the LHC. I&#8217;ll be covering some of that in upcoming posts about the individual experiments planned to start in October.</p>
<p>In any case, this week we should have nothing to fear, as no collisions are planned until those first experiments are performed next month.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, <a href="http://www.lhcfacts.org/" rel="nofollow">I&#8217;d like to recommend JTankers site</a> for those with a greater curiosity about the LHC. There are lots of links and some really good write-ups about many of the concerns scientists have about CERN&#8217;s most ambitious project.</p>
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		<title>By: JTankers</title>
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		<dc:creator>JTankers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The safety opposition alleges CERN is misrepresenting the certainty of safety and did not properly address[9] opposition arguments by credible senior scientists including visiting professor of Physics Dr. Otto Rössler[1][2] and Physics PHD Dr. Rainer Plaga[3].

Planetary safety arguments include disputed cosmic ray arguments[1][2][3] and refuted Hawking Radiation[4][5].

Earlier in 2008 CERN acknowledged that if micro black holes were created[6] by head-on collissions in particle colliders some would travel too slowly to escape Earth while cosmic ray created stable micro black holes would not be stopped by Earth.[7]  This safety argument flaw was as discovered by former Cosmic Ray Researcher, California Math Champion and Nuclear Safety Officer Walter L. Wagner.[8]

[1] http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documnets/OTTOROESSLERMINIBLACKHOLE.pdf Abraham-Solution to Schwarzschild Metric Implies That CERN Miniblack Holes Pose a Planetary Risk, Prof. Dr. Otto Rossler (2008)

[2] http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/spiritualottoeroessler.pdf A Rational and Moral and Spiritual Dilemma - Otto E. Rössler Safety Counter Arguments (2008)

[3] http://www.arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0808/0808.1415v1.pdf On the potential catastrophic risk from metastable quantum-black holes produced at particle colliders - Rainer Plaga Rebuttal (2008)

[4] http://www.xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0304042 Do black holes radiate?. Dr. Adam Helfer (2003)

[5] http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0607137, On the existence of black hole evaporationyet again, Prof. VA Belinski (2006)

[6] http://www.cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/29199 The case for mini black holes, CERN Courier (2004)

[7] http://www.lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=2&amp;st=0&amp;sk=t&amp;sd=a&amp;start=10  LHC Safety Assessment Group, LHC Safety Procedures, 16 Mar 2008

[8] http://www.lhcdefense.org/lhc_legal.php US Federal Lawsuit Filings - Walter L. Wagner (2008)

[9] http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/bpl/risk/2006/00000026/00000001/art00006 Scientific Peer Review to Inform Regulatory Decision Making: A European Perspective (2006)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The safety opposition alleges CERN is misrepresenting the certainty of safety and did not properly address[9] opposition arguments by credible senior scientists including visiting professor of Physics Dr. Otto Rössler[1][2] and Physics PHD Dr. Rainer Plaga[3].</p>
<p>Planetary safety arguments include disputed cosmic ray arguments[1][2][3] and refuted Hawking Radiation[4][5].</p>
<p>Earlier in 2008 CERN acknowledged that if micro black holes were created[6] by head-on collissions in particle colliders some would travel too slowly to escape Earth while cosmic ray created stable micro black holes would not be stopped by Earth.[7]  This safety argument flaw was as discovered by former Cosmic Ray Researcher, California Math Champion and Nuclear Safety Officer Walter L. Wagner.[8]</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documnets/OTTOROESSLERMINIBLACKHOLE.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documnets/OTTOROESSLERMINIBLACKHOLE.pdf</a> Abraham-Solution to Schwarzschild Metric Implies That CERN Miniblack Holes Pose a Planetary Risk, Prof. Dr. Otto Rossler (2008)</p>
<p>[2] <a href="http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/spiritualottoeroessler.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/spiritualottoeroessler.pdf</a> A Rational and Moral and Spiritual Dilemma &#8211; Otto E. Rössler Safety Counter Arguments (2008)</p>
<p>[3] <a href="http://www.arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0808/0808.1415v1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0808/0808.1415v1.pdf</a> On the potential catastrophic risk from metastable quantum-black holes produced at particle colliders &#8211; Rainer Plaga Rebuttal (2008)</p>
<p>[4] <a href="http://www.xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0304042" rel="nofollow">http://www.xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0304042</a> Do black holes radiate?. Dr. Adam Helfer (2003)</p>
<p>[5] <a href="http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0607137" rel="nofollow">http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0607137</a>, On the existence of black hole evaporationyet again, Prof. VA Belinski (2006)</p>
<p>[6] <a href="http://www.cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/29199" rel="nofollow">http://www.cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/29199</a> The case for mini black holes, CERN Courier (2004)</p>
<p>[7] <a href="http://www.lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=2&amp;st=0&amp;sk=t&amp;sd=a&amp;start=10" rel="nofollow">http://www.lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=2&amp;st=0&amp;sk=t&amp;sd=a&amp;start=10</a>  LHC Safety Assessment Group, LHC Safety Procedures, 16 Mar 2008</p>
<p>[8] <a href="http://www.lhcdefense.org/lhc_legal.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.lhcdefense.org/lhc_legal.php</a> US Federal Lawsuit Filings &#8211; Walter L. Wagner (2008)</p>
<p>[9] <a href="http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/bpl/risk/2006/00000026/00000001/art00006" rel="nofollow">http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/bpl/risk/2006/00000026/00000001/art00006</a> Scientific Peer Review to Inform Regulatory Decision Making: A European Perspective (2006)</p>
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